تساؤلات الطلبه +كل ما يخص امتحان 2010

[Ala'a Eldin]

ولتوضيح الفرق فى المعنى بشكل أكثر وضوحا
يرجى ملاحظة الفرق بين الماضى المستمر والماضى التام المستمر

When I phoned Ahmed, he was having a piano lesson
I phoned him in the middle of the lesson

When I phoned Ahmed, he had been having a piano lesson
I phoned him after the lesson

فى الجملة الأولى فإن الفعل فى الماضى البسيط حدث أثناء الفعل الماضى المستمر ثم استمر الفعل الماضى المستمر بعد ذلك

فى الجملة الثانية فإن الفعل الماضى البسيط حدث عند انتهاء الفعل الماضى التام المستمر الذى كان مستمرا منذ فترة بعيدة فى الماضى

[terra]

I asked the teachers in www.bbc.co.uk and the answer was "had planned" is definite. Your plans had been made and are potentially complete.

"had been planning" suggests indefiniteness. Your trip was still in the planning stages and you were not totally sure that you would go. There was an element of improbability, albeit perhaps small.

[عماد ذكي]

اذا اخذنا بهذا الكلام يمكن ان نقول انني قررت وخطط بالفعل وفجأة مرضت اختي . وهذا يحدث كثيرا .

[عماد ذكي]

"had been planning" suggests indefiniteness. Your trip was still in the planning stages and you were not totally sure that you would go. There was an element of improbability, albeit perhaps small

هل هذا واضح في الجملة محل النقاش

وما الدليل فلماذا لا يكون انني قد خطت وبعد ذلك مرضت اختي .

[maahh3]

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[ابراهيم موسى]

[QUOTE=نبيل موريس جورج;2268768]يوسفني ان تصل حالة الحوار هكذا !!!!!!!!!

من قال اننا........... نحن نجتهد ونسأل ونتحاور للاستفادة وليس لاثبات من صح ومن خطأ

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نحن نجتهد ونسأل ونتحاور للاستفادة وليس لاثبات من صح ومن خطأ




فعلا يا مستر نبيل حضرتك على حق

When teachers come together
teach becomes better



مستر حمادة حضرتك مثل اعلى لى و لكثير اخرين
انا شخصيا افضل كتاب حضرتك و استفيد منه كثيرا
و الخلاف فى الراى لا يفسد للود قضية خاصة لو كان فى العلم

[مستر محمد الشاذلي]

أنا مع had planned وذلك للأسباب الآتية
1- في كتاب A practical English grammar 4 th edition

Oxford university press p. 175
تحت عنوان the past perfect
the past perfect can be used similarly for an action which began before the time of speaking in the past and
b) stopped at the time or just before it
ومن الامثلة
The old oak tree, which had stood in the churchyard for 300 hundred years .suddenly crashed to the ground
مثال اخر
Bill had been a soldier for ten years and planned to stay in the army till he was thirty
يوضح المرجع هنا انه يمكن استخدام الزمنين التام والمستمر ايضا ,

وحيث انه لا توجد في الجملة كلمة تدل على الاستمرارية مثل for او since فالأصح هي had planned

المحترم عماد ذكي
في هذه الحاله اللي حضرتك كاتبها لابد ان يكون حدث دائم او طويل امدا يفضل استخدام الماضي التام البسيط زاي محضرتك اشرت بالامثلة ام عامتا اذا استمر حدث في الماضي و قطع نهايته حدث اخر في الماضي المبسيط او حدث بعده بفتره قليله نستخدم الماضي التام المستر و في هذه الحاله يكون حدث مؤقت يعني التفكير في الاجازة و التخطيط لها مكنش حدث دائم و دي بخصوص جمله الامتحان و بكده يبقي الماضي التام المستر هنا اصح
و استشهادا بكلامي

Had been + -ing

We use the past perfect progressive to talk about actions or situations which had continued up to the past moment that we are thinking about, or shortly before.

When I found Mary, I could see that she had been crying.

Progressive and simple: difference

Progressive forms are mostly used to talk more temporary actions and situations. When we talk about longer-lasting or permanent situations we prefer simple forms. Compare;-

My legs were stiff because I had been standing still for a long time.

The tree that blew down had stood there for 300 years.

Progressive forms generally emphasise the continuation of an activity; we use simple tenses to emphasise the idea of completion. Compare;

I had been reading science fiction, and my mind was full of strange images.

I had read all my magazines, and was begging to get bored.

الكلام ده من مرجع

Practical English Usage الطبعة الثالثة

ثانيا كلمة suddenly توحي بالاستمرارية عامة ومش بالضرورة ان الحدث قاطع لانها بتشير الى ان الحدث السابق للفعل اللى بعدها كان مستمر واستغرق وقت مننا ودة الاستخدام الاساسي للماضي التام المستمر

ثالثا ودة الاهم انا شخصيا بأعتقد اننا بنحول نضع بعض المبرارات لمثال هوة فى الاصل موضوع خطأ لانه الاقرب الى الماضي المستمر من الماضي التام او الماضي التام للمستمر يعني رايي الشخصي ان اصل زمن الجملة يكون ماضي مستمر ودليلى هو لو كان فى الاختيارات ماضي مستمر ياترى كنا اخترنا انهي زمن ؟؟؟ ياريت حد يرد على سؤالي
مستر محمود فتحي

اتفق معك تمام يا مستر

و ده بخصوص حل الجمليه و المعلومة

أعتذر لكم أخي الكريم لقد قمت بتعديل مشاركاتكم الكريمة بحذف باقي المشاركة كما تم حذف كافة المشاركات التي خرجت عن الموضوع الأصلي للنقاش
أخوك في الله خالد سليمان

[عماد ذكي]

في هذه الحاله اللي حضرتك كاتبها لابد ان يكون حدث دائم او طويل امدا يفضل استخدام الماضي التام البسيط زاي محضرتك اشرت بالامثلة
فين في المثلة
الامثلة :

The past perfect can be used similarly for an action which began before the time of speaking in the past, and

(a) was still continuing at that time or

(b) stopped at that time or just before it.

But note that the past perfect can also be used:

(c) for an action which stopped some time before the time of speaking.

Examples of types (a), (b) and (c) are given below:

(a) Bill was in uniform when I met him. He had been a soldier for ten years/since he was seventeen, and planned to stay in the army till he was thirty.

Ann had lived in a cottage for sixty years/ever since she was born, and had no wish to move to a tower block. (The past perfect continuous tense had been living would also be possible here.)

(b) The old oak tree, which had stood in the churchyard/or 300 years/since before the church was built, suddenly crashed to the ground. (The past perfect continuous tense had been standing would also be possible here.)

Peter, who had waited for an hour/since ten o'clock, was very angry with his sister when she eventually turned up. (had been waiting would also be possible.)

الامثله فيها ماضي تام ويمكن ان يحل محله ماضي تام مستمر
وما رأي حضرتك في الكلام ده
The past perfect can be used similarly for an action which began before the time of speaking in the past, and
(b) stopped at that time or just before it.

[مستر/ عصام الجاويش]

Frankly speaking, the sentence under discussion is very simple.I find it strange to have this heated discussion over it! I myself see eye to eye with the native speaker's answer. If you have a head for any language, your sense will be your pimary guide to the correct answer.

[صلاح محمود محمد]

I think we should consider the difference in the following sentences.
I had been planning my summer holiday in Alexandria when my sister suddenly fell ill.


I had planned to spend the summer holiday in Alexandria when my sister suddenly fell ill.

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In the first example (without "to") : the meaning is; I'm thinking carefully about something I want to do to decide how and when I will do it, and the verb in this meaning is dynamic which means; it could be used in the continuous tenses.

In the second example(with "to") : the meaning is; I intend to do something, and the verb in this meaning is stative which means; it couldn't be used in the continuous tenses

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So, I think the correct answer is (had planned) but the examiner didn't intend it to be so, he just wanted (had been planning) which will be correct only if the verb is dynamic.
Secondly, I think students are not supposed to answer such questions, it is unfair.
For further information; Longman Exam Coach.

[نبيل موريس جورج]

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة صلاح محمود محمد

I think we should consider the difference in the following sentences.
I had been planning my summer holiday in Alexandria when my sister suddenly fell ill.


I had planned to spend the summer holiday in Alexandria when my sister suddenly fell ill.

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In the first example (without "to") : the meaning is; I'm thinking carefully about something I want to do to decide how and when I will do it, and the verb in this meaning is dynamic which means; it could be used in the continuous tenses.

In the second example(with "to") : the meaning is; I intend to do something, and the verb in this meaning is stative which means; it couldn't be used in the continuous tenses

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So, I think the correct answer is (had planned) but the examiner didn't intend it to be so, he just wanted (had been planning) which will be correct only if the verb is dynamic.
Secondly, I think students are not supposed to answer such questions, it is unfair.
For further information; Longman Exam Coach.

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/progressive.htm

[fatima.sami2010]

انا طالبة في 2 ث
ولي رأي مختلف مع الجميع
أنا مبعترفش ان الامتحانات صعبة ولابقول اني هجيب فيها الدرجة النهائية
بس بقول اني هعمل كل اللي هقدر عليه بمعني ..........
اذا كانت الامتحانات صعبه فعلا ونزل التنسيق بمعدل 5%
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وبقول للطلبه زمايلي : شدو حيلكم ياشباب
ووقولو اننا حننجح رغم انف ال..لاب.
واللي خايف يروح............
احنا مبنخفش

[fatima.sami2010]

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[abdo7610]

والله عندك حق انا كنت فى ثانوي من سنه بس وبقولك ان الثانويه العامه فى مصر
كل سنه فضايح فى الامتحانات وربنا معاكم وتحقق الى نفسكوا فيه
انا بردوا سنه تانيه كنا متظبطين كدا فى الامتحانات
ربنا معاكم

[ostazhassan]

والاهعى انتى شكلك بريئة 5 % بس ئولى 10 12 % وياريت تيجى على قد كدة كمان