الكلام المباشر و الغير مباشر

[Ala'a Eldin]

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Mr. ayman

الشاذلي

كم تقف الكلمات هند نعت اعمالك


وتتجلي القدرات عند قراءة ابداعاتك


جل القرطاس بين يديك


ولكن لي ملحوظه صغيره


Shall……….should


He said to me, " I shall travel tomorrow"


Is it ?


He told me that he should travel the next(following) day"


Is it so????

Just a note


Regards


Mr. Ayman

I think using would is better

[Mr. ayman]

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Ala'a Eldin

I think using would is better

Sir

Using would instead of should is not better; it's absolute since using should is apparently wrong as in

Comprehensive English Grammar

"It's completely grammatical uncommon using should as the past tense of shall in an error of which readers could have the perplex usage,hence in the way of indirect reporting of shall beware using the opaque unreal usage of shall"

regards

Mr. Ayman

[Ala'a Eldin]

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Mr. ayman

Sir

Using would instead of should is not better; it's absolute since using should is apparently wrong as in


Comprehensive English Grammar


"It's completely grammatical uncommon using should as the past tense of shall in an error of which readers could have the perplex usage,hence in the way of indirect reporting of shall beware using the opaque unreal usage of shall"


regards


Mr. Ayman

If so, what do you suggest to use instead of should when reporting shall as it expresses the future

and please tell me
where can I get what you have called Comprehensive English Grammar

[Ala'a Eldin]

Please tell me about reporting must as it expresses obligation
Should we keep it as it is? Should we change it to had to? Or both of them are acceptable

Thanks

[Mr. ayman]

Sir

We agree that "must" has many different uses, don't we?

Therefore,

As for reporting "must" with the meaning of obligation

It has both

1- to keep it unchanged if the obligation is still in practice

2- if the obligation has changed with the course of time, then it should be changed into " had to"

that's according to what has been tackled in"

Focus English Grammar

As for most book , they side with the ultimate change

That's God knows best

Regards

[مستر محمد الشاذلي]

بارك الله في حضرتك مستر ايمن علي الملاحظات الجميلة دي

[alifarid]

بارك الله فيك

[Ala'a Eldin]

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Mr. ayman

Sir

We agree that "must" has many different uses, don't we?


Therefore,


As for reporting "must" with the meaning of obligation

It has both

1- to keep it unchanged if the obligation is still in practice


2- if the obligation has changed with the course of time, then it should be changed into " had to"


that's according to what has been tackled in"


Focus English Grammar


As for most book , they side with the ultimate change

That's God knows best


Regards

Thank you Mr Ayman
That is a good point of view
you have removed the opaue of reporting must completely
but for student, I think, we should stick to what is mentioned in the student book to not confuse students

[Ala'a Eldin]

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Ala'a Eldin

If so, what do you suggest to use instead of should when reporting shall as it expresses the future

and please tell me

where can I get what you have called Comprehensive English Grammar

Please Mr Ayman
You haven't showed that part yet
You had mentioned that point and didn't explain it
And you haven't said your point of view yet
I'm waiting a clearance from you please

Concerning the book you've mentioned
I have a very bad e-copy of it
please tell me how can I get better one

Thanks

[Mr. ayman]

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Ala'a Eldin

I think using would is better

Sir

Concerning "shall" you have already got it

Reporting "shall" undoubtedly is "would" as you spit it

As for Grammar book

I do have lots of rare and highly-valuable collection for most advanced levels

I promise you, dear friend, to try to scan them for you and other colleagues

Regards

Mr.Ayman e. El sapagh

Saint Mary High school for LAnguages

&

Highlight Center For Arts of Translation and language Techniques

[Ala'a Eldin]

the debate with you is really fantastic Mr Ayman
I liked your style in clearing opaque points very much
thank you very much
I am really looking forward to be friends
Please accept

And thank you Mr Mohamed for your topic which made me debate with this extraordinary man Mr Ayman

[samir1eg]

مجهود رئع
وجزاك الله خيرا