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mahrousahmed 23-04-2018 06:17 PM

هام قبل ان يقع طلابكم فى الخطأ
 
I noticed that a lot of my colleagues and some of the outside books answered this sentence in a wrong way. The sentence is copied from workbook test practice number 6.

Crashing into a garden, a tree was knocked down by a car.

Some answered it was knocked----------knocked and this was extremely wrong, others answered it by alternating a car with a tree and this is definitely wrong. However, the right answer would be like this as the subject of the participle clause must be the same the subject of the main verb as it was mentioned in the student book page 107. .

Crashing into a garden, a tree was knocked down by a car.

Crashing into a garden, a car knocked down a tree.
And there is another sentence which they answered incorrectly
Each year, the teacher puts a year's..........of paper in the classroom cupboard.
a. value b. useful c. worth d. view
The answer is worth not value


mahrousahmed 23-04-2018 06:18 PM

انا كتبت بالعربى بس معرفش طلع ازاى باللغة الغريبة دى

mahrousahmed 23-04-2018 06:25 PM

نقول تانى:
قام بعض الزملاء وبعض الكتب الخارجية بتصحيح جملة تصحيح خطا فى الامتحان السادس بكتاب التدريبات للصف االثانى الثانوى بطريقة خاطئة حيث تعامل معها البعض على انها مبنى للمجهول والمعلوم وقام البعض الاخر بتبديل كلمتى a tree بكلمة a car وكلاهما حل خاطىء حيث ان الخطا الموجود هو الجملة الثانية باكملها لانه وفقا لواضعى المنهج صفحة 97 بكتاب الوزارة بان فاعل جملة اسم الفاعل والجملة الاخرى يكون واحد والجملة هى:
Crashing into a garden, a tree was knocked by a car.
وبم ان اصل الجملة الاولى هو
A car crashed into a garden and knocked down a tree.
واضح جدا ان فاعل الجملة هو a car وليس a tree
وبالتالى فان الجملة تحل كالاتى:
Crashing into a garden, a tree was knocked down by a car
Crashing into a garden, a car knocked down a tree

abu ragab 23-04-2018 08:00 PM

Crashing into a garden, a tree was knocked down by a car.

Crashing into a garden, a car knocked down a tree
i agree with you but i think we can use hit-damaged-destroyed-crashed instead of knocked down.



mahrousahmed 23-04-2018 08:58 PM

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة abu ragab (المشاركة 1065766349)
Crashing into a garden, a tree was knocked down by a car.

Crashing into a garden, a car knocked down a tree
i agree with you but i think we can use hit-damaged-destroyed-crashed instead of knocked down.



dear colleague, knocked down is correct which means in Arabic Askatat اسقطت

mahrousahmed 23-04-2018 09:06 PM

أما بالنسبة لجملة كتاب التدريبات صفحة 97 الجملة رقم 4 فى السؤال الاول وهى:
Each year, the teacher puts a year's .........of paper in the classroom cupboard.
a- value b- useful c- worth d- view
الحل الصحيح هو worth لان:
a week's, a month's, a year's worth of something means an amount of something that lasts for a week, a month, a year ..

Mr. Bayoumy Ghreeb 23-04-2018 11:56 PM

And there is another sentence which they answered it incorrectly
How come

mahrousahmed 24-04-2018 12:15 AM

a spelling mistake or a slip of tongue
but what about the above
By the way how come should be followed by a question mark.

How come?

mr.hisham abo mohamed 24-04-2018 09:36 AM

What about these sentences
Waiting for John ,the kettle boiled
Pressing the button ,the lift moved to the fourth floor
The subject in these two sentences is not the same

mahrousahmed 24-04-2018 02:26 PM

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة mr.hisham abo mohamed (المشاركة 1065766454)
What about these sentences
Waiting for John ,the kettle boiled
Pressing the button ,the lift moved to the fourth floor
The subject in these two sentences is not the same

Sure they are correct but I am talking about the cases mentioned in our school books but.....
The first sentence mainly was: While I was waiting for John , the kettle boiled. Here we are talking about a continuous action in the past and a simple one.
In the second sentence We pressed the button of the lift so I think the subject is the same. The sentence mainly was
When I pressed the button (of the lift) , the lift (it) moved to.....

mr.omar777 25-04-2018 10:09 AM

Waiting for John ,the kettle boiled

It is wrong to say such a sentence
It means the kettle was waiting for John
We should clarify our sentences
Thanks

mr.omar777 25-04-2018 10:15 AM

Pressing the button ,the lift moved to the fourth floor

It is wrong to say such a sentence

It means or implies the lift did the action itself
We should clarify our sentences

Thanks

as seif 25-04-2018 11:06 PM

يوجد جطا فى اجابه دليل المعلم i need to buy souvenirs... الصح ...i must buy
كتاب المدرسه page 114

mr.omar777 26-04-2018 09:10 AM

Please write the sentences because we do not have these book.
Then we will be able to discuss such sentences
Thanks

mahrousahmed 26-04-2018 09:00 PM

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة mr.omar777 (المشاركة 1065766629)
Waiting for John ,the kettle boiled

It is wrong to say such a sentence
It means the kettle was waiting for John
We should clarify our sentences
Thanks

I agree with you dear colleague

mahrousahmed 26-04-2018 09:10 PM

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة as seif (المشاركة 1065766811)
يوجد جطا فى اجابه دليل المعلم i need to buy souvenirs... الصح ...i must buy
كتاب المدرسه page 114

The sentence is correct Mr. Ashraf
WB. Practice Test 5 page 114 sentence number 6

6. I...........buy souvenirs for my family while I'm in London next week.
a. need to b. had to c. must d. have to
We use need to + verb to refer to actions that are or are not necessary (SB. page 102)
If we chose must, it would mean that the speaker is obliged or is very necessary to buy souvenirs for his family. If we chose must, what would the speaker do if he ran out of money or didn't have enough money? so I think need to is better than must.

as seif 27-04-2018 10:48 AM

6 I...................... buy souvenirs for my family while I’m in London next week.
a need to b had to c must d have to

as seif 27-04-2018 11:04 AM

[=""]["]Grammar have to, must and need to GRAMMAR
Underline the modal verbs in these sentences from the listening.
b We must buy souvenirs for our friends while we’re here.
;كتاب المدرسه 102[/COLOR] تستخدم must مع wishes. feeling وليس الزام [/COLOR]

hassan english 27-04-2018 11:20 AM

You are write Mr Mahrous
Thanks for your efforts

mr.omar777 27-04-2018 02:14 PM

We .....buy souvenirs for our friends while we’re here.

a need to b had to c must d have to

'must' is used for strong personal obligations
ندرسها للإعدادي الزام داخلي

mr.omar777 27-04-2018 02:17 PM

I...................... buy souvenirs for my family while I’m in London next week.
a need to b had to c must d have to
__________________

'must' is used for strong personal obligations

ندرسها للإعدادي الزام داخلي

That is what I think or what I feel

mr.omar777 27-04-2018 02:20 PM

We have to get up early.1-
We must get up early.2-
1-responsibility or necessity
2- strong personal obligations

mr.omar777 27-04-2018 02:24 PM

I...........buy souvenirs for my family while I'm in London next week.

a. need to b. had to c. must d. have to



'need to' to express that something is important for you to do

mr.omar777 27-04-2018 02:29 PM

family
مع كلمة family اللي الأفضل الزام داخلي ام حاجة للفرد ظ

friends

واضحة must عشان الناس متزعلش


يبقي ال context مش كافي لحسم الامر

ارجو تكون افكاري واضحة وارحب بكل اختلاف

mahrousahmed 27-04-2018 03:26 PM

Good efforts dear colleagues but remember we are here to discuss and benefit not to mock or demean.
The answers are clear but we are trying to convince ourselves of these answers but if we have any objections to the answers we can visit the website of longman and ask them why they answered them like that
.

mr.omar777 27-04-2018 05:59 PM

1 مرفق
الأخ الفاضل أستاذ
as seif
تم مخاطبة مؤلفي الكتاب وفي انتظار ردهم
الحقت سؤال السؤال بهذه المشاركة
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mr.omar777 27-04-2018 06:21 PM

1 مرفق
[B][SIZE="5"]الاح اللي بيقول استهزاء عندك رد اتفضل معندكش خلاص متردش
احب اكدد علي حاجة
الأفضل need to
بس لو قولت لي must مينفعش أقول غلط
دي حسب الموقف اللي الشخض في
يعني انت وعدت العيال بالهدايا يبقي لازم تجيب must
الخ

mr.omar777 27-04-2018 06:47 PM

1 مرفق
Term 2 Practice Tests

as seif 28-04-2018 12:26 AM


Grammar have to, must and need to GRAMMAR
REVIEW
PAGE 126
Underline the modal verbs in these
اقتباس:

sentences
from the listening.
page 114
b We must buy souvenirs for our friends while we’re here.
6 I...................... buy souvenirs for my family while I’m in London next week.
a need to b had to c must d have to
الاجابه خطا فى دليل المعلم والصح must وليس need to

as seif 28-04-2018 12:34 AM

استخدام must بدلا من need to لانها تعبر عن feelings and wishesوليس الزام

7o0uda 28-04-2018 12:48 AM

شكرا للاخوة الافاضل علي الاضافة

mr.omar777 28-04-2018 12:16 PM

2 مرفق
T[B]he choice of 'must' or 'need to' depends on how strongly you feel compelled to do something. 'must' is stronger
.In the Practice Test, 'need to' is the best answer. If we use 'must' it sounds as if the family have demanded presents.On p102, the example includes 'must' but the strength of feeling is clearer because of 'while we're here'. It means that there is only a small opportunity to buy the souvenirs
[/B

ردي


I agree with you,.


Do you think such a limited context is enough to choose correctly

ردهم ?You're welcome.
It is very difficult for enough context to be given to make the choice completely clear, especially in a test where students are just looking at a sentence. I think that there is enough information to choose correctly in these cases as long as the students follow the grammar rules in the Student's Book exactly. I agree that it is not easy though.



،thank so much and sorry for disturbing you


Thank you




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mahrousahmed 28-04-2018 07:27 PM

If we have need to and must among the options need to is better. However, if we have only must in the options, it is 100 % correct.

as seif 28-04-2018 10:15 PM

It is very difficult for enough context to be given to make the choice completely clear, especially in a test where students are just looking at a sentence. I think that there is enough information to choose correctly in these cases as long as the students follow the grammar rules in the Student's Book exactly. I agree that it is not easy though.

If we have need to and must among the options need to is better. However, if we have only must in the options, it is 100 % correct. الف شكر لكم جميعا على هذا البحث وهذه المناقشه المفيده...mr.mahrous...mr.omar...

as seif 28-04-2018 10:21 PM

If we have need to and must among the options need to is better. However, if we have only must in the options, it is 100 % correct. الف شكر لكم جميعا على هذا البحث وهذه المناقشه المفيده...mr.mahrous...mr.omar...

نايف مهاب المصرى 29-04-2018 10:37 AM

الله ينور
حلوة outside books دى
عاملة زى your night is egg ليلتكم بيضة

mahrousahmed 29-04-2018 11:07 AM

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة نايف مهاب المصرى (المشاركة 1065767568)
الله ينور
حلوة outside books دى
عاملة زى your night is egg ليلتكم بيضة

وانت الصادق عاملة زى ايه الدنيا (بصوت يونس ولد فضة) What's the world?
:romarioxp6::romarioxp6::romarioxp6::romarioxp6::r omarioxp6::romarioxp6::romarioxp6::romarioxp6::rom arioxp6::romarioxp6::romarioxp6:

mahrousahmed 29-04-2018 07:16 PM

"اللهم اكفنا شر المأجورين"

zizo15red 05-05-2018 06:47 AM

معلم محترم ولك كل الشكر

mr_m_nabeel 08-05-2018 02:58 PM

i'm very delighted for these fruitful discussions but i think this lesson shouldn't have been included at this level of education

mahrousahmed 14-05-2018 06:39 PM

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة zizo15red (المشاركة 1065768816)
معلم محترم ولك كل الشكر

المحترم لا يلقى الا كل احترام وتقدير كل الشكر والتقدير لمروركم الكريم

mahrousahmed 14-05-2018 06:40 PM

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة mr_m_nabeel (المشاركة 1065769480)
i'm very delighted for these fruitful discussions but i think this lesson shouldn't have been included at this level of education

I'm also very delighted with your comment

yahya gamal 03-01-2019 08:22 AM

17- Mum promised she would take her with her when she visited my grandparents.
ما الخطا هنا


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